VeTaL

August 13, 2011

http://www.spiderland.org/

Wanted to try it as a simple AI behaviour: grass is spawning on the land, animals are looking for grass, hunters are looking for animals

August 13, 2011

Imgui and wishes are sent to you

August 13, 2011

Hm... Yep, there are some guis, but i dont want to invent new own gui right now

Maybe, later i'll convert Imgui to pure OpenGl (instead of SDL, like now), but it is needed to make Layout Editor and so on... maybe later

But yes, Cegui eats too much (comparing with 0)

August 13, 2011

What also bothered me a LOT is that the lighting and shadows take a LOT of FPS.

This is trouble forme too.

Working on the same thing: trying to optimize level to make fps higher.

http://www.leadwerks.com/werkspace/topic/3728-fentinor-build/

It would be nice if Josh and other experienced guys would write a collection of tips for modelling, ligtning and leveldesign.

August 13, 2011

Made simple tests for Cegui. Hope, they would be usefull for someone.

1) New application, created with LEBuilder (rotating cube, C++): 280-282 FPS

		TurnEntity( mesh, Vec3( AppSpeed()*0.5f ) );     

		UpdateFramework();                
		RenderFramework();                

		Flip( 0 );

2) Rotating cube + simple Cegui render (taken here): 262-265 FPS

	TurnEntity( mesh, Vec3( AppSpeed()*0.5f ) );   

	UpdateFramework();
	RenderFramework();

	glPixelStoref(0x806E, 0); 
	glPixelStoref(GL_PACK_ROW_LENGTH, 0); 
	glPixelStoref(GL_UNPACK_ROW_LENGTH, 0); 

	CEGUI::System::getSingleton().renderGUI();

	Flip(0);

3) Rotating cube + simple Cegui render + cegui cursor: 265 FPS

if( xMouse != MouseX() || yMouse != MouseY() ){
		CEGUI::System::getSingleton().injectMousePosition( (float)MouseX(), (float)MouseY() );
		yMouse = MouseY();
		xMouse = MouseX();
	}

	TurnEntity( mesh, Vec3( AppSpeed()*0.5f ) );   

	UpdateFramework();
	RenderFramework();

	glPixelStoref(0x806E, 0); 
	glPixelStoref(GL_PACK_ROW_LENGTH, 0); 
	glPixelStoref(GL_UNPACK_ROW_LENGTH, 0); 

	CEGUI::System::getSingleton().renderGUI();

	Flip(0);

August 12, 2011

my code:

1) _stateReturns = _activeState->UpdateState(_deltaTime);

this is

int StateGame::UpdateState( float _deltaTime )
{
SingletonOisManager.Update();                     // ois input
SingletonLevelManager.Update(_deltaTime); // this contains UpdateFramework();, now it is empty

return GameState;
}

2) __raise updateEvent->UpdateEvent( _deltaTime );

camera and player updates are subscribed there

3) _activeState->RenderState(_deltaTime);

is doing nothing. Previously, RenderFramework(); was there, but now its also empty

4) __raise renderEvent->RenderEvent( _deltaTime );

this called imgui debug panels (player and camera had their own debug panels), also disabled for now

Also, i'm planning to change "__raise" to http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/FastDelegate.aspx

August 12, 2011

<> - Updating Framework: 6

UpdateFramework();

<> - Updating World: 0

_stateReturns = _activeState->UpdateState(_deltaTime);

__raise updateEvent->UpdateEvent( _deltaTime );

<> - Rendering Framework: 17

RenderFramework();

<> - Rendering World: 0

_activeState->RenderState(_deltaTime);

__raise renderEvent->RenderEvent( _deltaTime );

<> - Rendering Cegui: 4

_activeState->RenderGuiState(_deltaTime);

__raise guiRenderEvent->RenderGuiEvent( _deltaTime ); // cegui

Do Cegui render takes 0 in your test?

August 12, 2011

118951 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:16.949152

118954 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:17.000000

118957 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating Framework: 8

118960 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 0

118963 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Framework: 25

118967 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 0

118970 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Cegui: 4

119002 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:16.949152

119005 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:17.000000

119007 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating Framework: 6

119011 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 0

119015 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Framework: 17

119018 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 0

119022 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Cegui: 4

119059 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:16.949152

119062 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:17.000000

119064 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating Framework: 6

119068 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 1

119071 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Framework: 23

119075 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 0

119077 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Cegui: 3

119110 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:16.949152

119113 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:17.000000

119116 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating Framework: 6

119120 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 0

119123 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Framework: 20

119127 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 0

119129 [2408] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Cegui: 3

Looking like that code is almost not affecting fps. The mostly fps are eaten by UpdateFramework(); and RenderFramework();

Also, i found my mistake (if be honest till the end ), i rendered Cegui two times.. well, tha's fixed fast enough... and i'm thinking about another gui instead of Cegui.

Idk, how Metatron get so large difference in running with and without content.

Edit: just tested game without logger: got the same fps with and without Cegui: about 25-30

August 12, 2011

		// Update framework
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		UpdateFramework();
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Updating Framework", timeGetTime() );

		// Update state
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		_stateReturns = _activeState->UpdateState(_deltaTime);			
		__raise updateEvent->UpdateEvent( _deltaTime );
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Updating World", timeGetTime() );

		// Render framework
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		RenderFramework();
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Render Framework", timeGetTime() );

		// Render state
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		_activeState->RenderState(_deltaTime);
		__raise renderEvent->RenderEvent( _deltaTime );	
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Rendering World", timeGetTime() );

		// Render GUI state
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		_activeState->RenderGuiState(_deltaTime);
		__raise guiRenderEvent->RenderGuiEvent( _deltaTime );
//			_activeState->RenderGuiPostState(_deltaTime);
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Rendering Gui States", timeGetTime() );

		// Render cegui
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		SingletonCeGuiManager.RenderWithImgui(_deltaTime);
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Rendering Cegui", timeGetTime() );
		SingletonProfilerManager.Submit();

*VeTaL is ready for searching bottlenecks*

Something like this

August 9, 2011

You're right, Pixel: i just forgot about Tools folder with openal installer and redistr 2010.

August 8, 2011

Now i have 35-40 fps in Editor (all included), 35-40 fps in client (without shadows), 25-30 fps in client (all included).

Thanks a lot, Loom.

Next step is profiler and code optimization

August 8, 2011

Lights, that are in the second floor of tavern are dynamic+static, as static only doesnt cast a shadow

Lights, that are near player, are dynamic+static+buffered

Also, minimal resolution is 256, so i left it.

Got some additional fps, trying to remove torches

looking like i really need to decrease light radius there: as differed shading is used, 16 additional small lights cant drop fps from 25 to 15, i think

August 8, 2011

Make sure the light ranges are very low, because higher range eats a lot of FPS. You can have over 300 point lights with only few FPS cost, if you keep the ranges low (like range=5 or so).

You was right:

I changed it to

and have some fps boost

Now level is looking like this, is that ok, or i should decrease torches light radius?

August 8, 2011

0_0

Quite strange: i loaded level with this template code (get 6 fps)


//	====================================================================
//	This file was generated by LEBuilder
//	http://leadwerks.com/werkspace
//	====================================================================

#include "engine.h"
#include <iostream>
#include <string>

const int 	ScreenWidth = 1024;
const int 	ScreenHeight = 768;
const char* MediaDir =  "Z:/Leadwerks Engine SDK";
const char* AppTitle = "Test";

void ErrOut( const std::string& message ) { std::cerr << message << std::endl; }

//	-------------------------------
int main( int argn, char* argv[] )
{
// Initialize
if( !Initialize() )
	return 1;        
SetAppTitle( AppTitle ) ;
RegisterAbstractPath( MediaDir ); 

// Set graphics mode        
if( !Graphics(ScreenWidth,ScreenHeight) )
{                
	ErrOut( "Failed to set graphics mode."  );
	return 1;        
}

// Create framework object and set it to a global object so other scripts can access it
TFramework fw = CreateFramework();        
if( fw == NULL )        
{
	ErrOut( "Failed to initialize engine." );                
	return 1;        
}        

// Set Lua framework object        
SetGlobalObject( "fw", fw );                

// Set Lua framework variable        
BP lua = GetLuaState();        
lua_pushobject( lua, fw );        
lua_setglobal( lua, "fw" );        
lua_pop( lua, 1 );        

// Get framework main camera        
TCamera camera = GetLayerCamera( GetFrameworkLayer(0) );        
PositionEntity( camera, Vec3(0,0,-2) );        

// Create cube
TMaterial material = LoadMaterial( "abstract::cobblestones.mat" );        
// 	TMesh mesh = CreateCube();        
// 	PaintEntity( mesh, material ); 

LoadScene("abstract::SoulHill.sbx");

TEntity cam=CreateCamera(); 
PositionEntity(cam,Vec3(0,2,-10)); 

// Create ground
TMesh ground = CreateCube();        
ScaleEntity( ground, Vec3(10,1,10) );        
PositionEntity( ground, Vec3(0,-2,0) );        
PaintEntity( ground, material );        

// Add some light
TLight light = CreateDirectionalLight();        
RotateEntity( light, Vec3(45,45,45) );        

TVec3 camrotation=Vec3(0); 
float mx=0; 
float my=0; 
float move=0; 
float strafe=0; 

// Spin cube until user hits Escape
while( !KeyHit() && !AppTerminate() )        
{                
	if( !AppSuspended() )
	{
		//Camera look 
		mx=Curve(MouseX()-GraphicsWidth()/2,mx,6); 
		my=Curve(MouseY()-GraphicsHeight()/2,my,6); 
		MoveMouse(GraphicsWidth()/2,GraphicsHeight()/2); 

		camrotation.X=camrotation.X+my/10.0; 
		camrotation.Y=camrotation.Y-mx/10.0; 
		RotateEntity(cam,camrotation); 
		//Camera movement 
		move=Curve(KeyDown(KEY_W)-KeyDown(KEY_S),move,20); 
		strafe=Curve(KeyDown(KEY_D)-KeyDown(KEY_A),strafe,20); 
		MoveEntity(cam,Vec3(strafe/10.0 *(1 + 20*KeyDown(KEY_LSHIFT)),0,move/10.0 * (1 + 20*KeyDown(KEY_LSHIFT)))); 


//		TurnEntity( mesh, Vec3( AppSpeed()*0.5f ) );     

		UpdateFramework();                
		RenderFramework();                

		Flip( 0 );        
	}
}                

return Terminate();
}

August 8, 2011

Here they are

Maybe they are a little mess ) Its my "Templates" folder

Just dreamed to have that templates in LEBuilder and make them in one click

Viewer.cpp

SkyCube.cpp

August 8, 2011

No, i mean some gameplay examples.

- Viewer (just camera control around mesh, so user can load and see any model)

- Spectator (camera, that fly free through the level... like a Viewer, idk id they are needed to be separated)

- FPS (physic player + camera control)

- SkyCube

- ***

maybe some framework/pure templates

August 8, 2011

It would be nice to have pack of templates for updater

August 8, 2011

With the same settings, in editor i have 20 fps

August 8, 2011

I also think so: taking into account that the only gui is in the red rectangle... anyway, its not a problem to turn it off

Moreover, fps are nice if player is standing nearg green zone on the picture

So, i think that its because of models.. or lights

August 8, 2011

This is without LoadScene

		// Update state
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		_stateReturns = _activeState->UpdateState(_deltaTime);			
		__raise updateEvent->UpdateEvent( _deltaTime );
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Updating World", timeGetTime() );

		// Render state
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		_activeState->RenderState(_deltaTime);
		__raise renderEvent->RenderEvent( _deltaTime );	
		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Rendering World", timeGetTime() );

		// Render GUI state
		SingletonProfilerManager.SetTime(timeGetTime());
		_activeState->RenderGuiState(_deltaTime);
		__raise guiRenderEvent->RenderGuiEvent( _deltaTime );
//			_activeState->RenderGuiPostState(_deltaTime);

		SingletonCeGuiManager.Render(_deltaTime);

		SingletonProfilerManager.PrintTime("Rendering Gui", timeGetTime() );
		SingletonProfilerManager.Submit();

Here is my main loop. the results are next:

137581 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 7

137589 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 20

137600 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 7

137648 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.611798

137656 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

137666 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 7

137673 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 20

137784 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 5

137822 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.611798

137831 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

137837 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 7

137851 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 18

137865 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 5

137948 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.611798

137961 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

137971 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 9

137996 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 40

138003 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 5

138065 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.611798

138082 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138095 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 15

138110 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 25

138166 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 6

138223 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

138230 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138236 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 11

138246 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 21

138256 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 9

138301 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

138311 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138318 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 8

138324 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 24

138337 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 4

138391 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

138535 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138544 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 9

138551 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 21

138558 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 10

138600 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

138609 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138619 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 6

138625 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 21

138632 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 7

138673 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

138681 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138687 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 10

138695 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 17

138702 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 6

138747 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

138753 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

138780 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 8

138790 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 23

138933 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 4

138994 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

139001 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

139010 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 11

139021 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 32

139032 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 6

139080 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

139086 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

139095 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 12

139102 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 19

139115 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 10

139170 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:7.568590

139180 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

139186 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 8

139283 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 23

139289 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 17

139333 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - UPS:8.042895

139350 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - FPS:9.000000

139361 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Updating World: 6

139368 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering World: 20

139382 [2980] INFO Main logger <> - Rendering Gui: 6

Next step is to separate GameLogic from UpdateWorld

August 8, 2011

Yep, now i'm making second try without LoadScene

Also, i had imgui profiler, but now i'm outputting results to the file.

August 8, 2011

Just runed Code Analysis for MSVS, get this:

August 8, 2011

*get ready to defend the Earth agains the army of marching robots* xD

August 8, 2011

It looks mostly like bad code. When I delete models.pak and materials.pak, the game runs with 150 FPS, but with 500 FPS in Editor. So the game code is eating 350 FPS.

Hm, i'll check that once more time. But on my home PC ( GeForce 9600 ), i have: about 30 in editor and about 20 in the game

Measure the whole main loop time, and the UpdateFramework time, and the RenderFramework time, and the rest of code time in the main loop.

Previous buid used SDL+imgui for debug purposes, i thought if i'd drop down SDL, i'll have a little perfomance boost.

I'll post here profiler's results

i do not know what are you doing to get such low FPS on such machines

That's what i'm interested in too. I hope, there is a trouble with models, or, at least, in code.

If i can cut down code and check its perfomance, i can do nothing with models- thats why i posted this post here: maybe someone have some recommendations about that.

The solution of "The program cannot start because MSVCP100.DLL is missing" is to install Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package

I think Vetal meant for you to see those and add them yourself since he was having issues with the upload feature.

yep

Added this to web-silte report

August 8, 2011

About a week ago we (me, leveldesigner, who is working on one PC with me, and some modellers) had finished first build of the level.

Then i showed build to a number of people and was really shocked by extremely low fps.

Modern AAA games uses textures 1024*1024 and 2048*2048, and this demo used only 512*512

FPS:

GeForce 8600M gives 6 FPS, which is epic fail, i think: that laprop runs more complete levels using other engines

GeForce 9600 gives 20-30 FPS without shadows and 7-8 FPS with shadows (<ShadowQuality>0</ShadowQuality> in Configuration.xml)

ATI Radeon M 56xx 1Gb, IntelCore i7 1.6GHz (boost up to 2,5+), gives 23-26 fps, while Crysis 2 gives 20 fps on maximum settings

Top-quality PC: i5 760 2.80, GeForce GTX 460 SE, 4 Gb shows only 45-50 fps, while Crysis 2 gives 70 fps on maximum settings

ati mobility radeon hd 5700 - 10 fps

gtx 560 ti - about 100 fps

The most fail is trying to run build on my laptop: i5 480M 2.66, GeForce GT540M 1 Gb, 4 Gb - that gives me 30 fps without shadows and about 10 FPS with shadows (like on my PC, 9600)

Can you look at the models and give us some advices?

I believe that modellers made their models in not-optimized-for-this-engine way.

Maybe they used too much materials or something like that.

Demo is here: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/29762947/Fentinor.7z

Also take a look into Configuration.xml

Updated:

What about current models, here they are: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/29762947/Fentinor.7z

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